Banning Children from Restaurants?!

Okta20 · 10-15-2007, 01:59 PM

There's a restaurant in a village not far from where I live, in which the owner has banned all children under 12 years from eating there, because children make noise.
There was an uproar in public when he refused to let a primary school class with their parents in.
I want to know: What do you think? Are the restaurant-owner's actions justified? Or are they discriminating children?

Tommeh!!! · 10-15-2007, 09:05 PM

some places want to appeal to certain audiences...some people like a quieter atmosphere...its a fair one, but obviously its hit or miss with how effective that strategy is.

!-nessica-! · 10-16-2007, 11:34 AM

in some situations i think yes, they should be banned. as tommeh said, some restaurants aim to appeal to certain atmosphere, and want to create a certain kinda atmosphere.
although it may seem unfair, theres plenty things kids under 12 can do that older people cant, like go in playgrounds :(

CyberPhoenix Kay? · 10-16-2007, 08:16 PM

No definetly not. Retaurants have nearly always been discribed as a family place.

What people seem to be missing is that people with kids are called parents, now if 2 parents go out too dinner, who is looking after the kids?

It is often that kids must come along to retaurants because the parents can't ditch them and leave them alone, and not everyone can afford a babysitter, so if they were banned, if a married couple with kids wants to go out and eat dinner for a birthday but they can't bring the kids in, a) the kids miss out on the bday dinner. b) if the parents can't arrange somone to look after the kids they can't go.

In banning all kids from going to a restaurant it is in a way discriminating against kids, they didn't choose to be under the age of twelve, the only reason i can see a kid getting banned from a restaurant is for mis-behaving, which you can do anytime you don't need to say " children under 12 can't come" everyone knows you are meant to behave when eating out.

Some of my really great memory's as a child come from going to restaurants like the ones you describe, i am COMPLETELY against this idea and i would never even come close to considering going to a restaurant with this ban, ever.

P.S. i am an adult and i went in a playground about 2 weeks ago and had a ball, so nerh!

Tommeh!!! · 10-26-2007, 02:55 PM

yeah i do that but the police claim it isnt allowed....parents who cant go out cause they cant organise their children to be looked after should have thought of that beforehand. If they cant afford a babysitter for one night then tough shit, maybe ask a relative, or a friend!? what about people that dont like kids? what about if people at a wake want to go out and have a quiet and stress free meal together without some sticky little shit bag running around making loads of noise? Theres a whole Hotel complex in cuba that children arent allowed to stay in because alot of people cant relax with kids around. These places are rare so its not that unfair they dont let kids in its appealing to a different crowd, i love kids and dont mind being in the same place, but i understand that kids have no courtesy and thus can be really REALLY annoying.

CyberPhoenix Kay? · 11-03-2007, 12:24 AM

i can't agree with that, Not all kids have courtesy, but not all don't.

There are some good ones, and some bad ones, and go ahead an by all means kick out the bad ones, but no way should the good ones be punished when they have nothing, it's like saying, you've been good, now you get punished...

It's not exactly going to have a positive effect on them..if they get punished even though are good, what's the point of being good? nothign, so why be good?

And you say the parents should've thought of that earlier, well people don't always have a choice when it comes to kids, i know this because my gf has 7 siblings, and the last few, she didn't have a choice about.

But even for the ones that do have a choice, yes, they decided to have kids, but the people at the restuarant also chose to go out and eat in public, in which they should be able to stop being so dang selfish and share the PUBLIC place with EVERYONE.

!-nessica-! · 11-03-2007, 06:15 AM

thing is they arent getting punished. if they arent allowed to discriminate on who is allowed in restaurants how are they sposed to say people under 18 cant go to clubs? yeah they serve alcohol but so do most restaurants.

if people wanna take kids with them, they can go to another restaurant. itd be wrong to ban kids from all restaurants, but some of them arent sposed to be for families, so they should be able to ban them from there. half the time at those kinda restaurants kids dont eat coz they dont like the food, so theres no point in taking them when they dont wanna be there, and other people dont want them to be there.

sure they're gonna lose some customers because of it, but they may also gain some knowing that kids arent gonna be there.

CyberPhoenix Kay? · 11-03-2007, 11:06 PM

The club age is set by the government, not the clubs, if the clubs could, they would allow younger people in, it makes more business. Eitherway, a club is not always a friendly place, a restaurant normally is is...
The club example is completely out there. They both serve alcohol. But at a club you will mind people fornicating everywhere, taking e's and looking for fights, you don't get any of that at a retaurant. A club IS a dangerous place, just look at the fact that somone got killed last week because of one and another severly bashed...When is the last time you heard of that happening at a restaurant?

No, people are not trying to bad kids from restaurants because they are dangerous bad places, if that was the case, then i'd understand. They are just being selfish and wanting to make more business of selfish customers, that is why you can in NO way, compare a club to a restaurant COMPLETLY different.

You say it's not punishing them? then what is it? Giving them a birthday treat? you can call it what you like, Punishing, Disadvantaging, being unfair to them. But you cannot say that they are not doing somthing that affects them negativly...

It IS being unjust to kids, it's not a case of whether it is or not, as it is. It's a case of whether you are one of those selfish people or not.

Tommeh!!! · 11-04-2007, 11:33 AM

well the thing is, a resteraunt ISNT a public place, its a privately owned business, and the thing is you say they are being selfish for not letting kids in, but isnt that very selfish for the people who dont like going to eat somewhere where there are kids?

you can say well fuck them for being miserable bastards but thats totally hypocritical as they have as much right as the children, these places are the minority compared to places that DO let kids in so why not let them have a couple of places where they can be comfortable in a child free environment.

and yeah, punishing and disadvantaging are two very different things, they cant go, but that doesnt that its a punishment. And i really cant see how the child would feel punished for not going to a place its never been to, id hardly imagine the parents would be rubbing salt in the wound. Not to mention its a fairly simple concept to grasp so i doubt many children wouldnt understand it, if they did, id imagine they are too young to give a shit anyway. :/

also can you no think of any occasions where having kids around could be a pain in the arse? a wake perhaps or maybe a valentines day dinner at a well reputed coupley kinda place?

The thing is businesses have target audiences, this place appeals to a no-children audience, its not selfish, its business provided for quiet occasions and childless people and if YOU think they dont deserve a place to go then thats disadvantaging them which completely turns your arguement against you. because that would be the pot calling the kettle black so to speak.

CyberPhoenix Kay? · 11-04-2007, 11:51 AM

I have no idea how you get that it's not a public place just because it is privatly owned? What? the government is going to own, No, it is definetly a public place as it is where the public go..

And i will say again, if people can't put up with kids that is there fault, some people can put with kids, some can't, that's a fault of their own if they can't. Unless they have some freak retardation which means they have a medical condition not to...which would probably leave them cooped up in some room.

An adult can choose whether or not they try to put up with a often perfectly behaved kid, if not, stay at home. But a kid CANNOT choose whether or not he wants to be a kid...When they discover how, then please tell me. And if a valentines or whatever is so important higher a venue or somthing, but others may be having, or want to have an important family event that involves the family/kids, e.g. a birthday.

They adults HAVE a choice whether or whether not to try and put up with kids, if not, well, that's their fault, not the kids, because i myself can put up with kids just fine. the DO NOT have any choice, so why not let the parents choose whether or not the want to go to a restaurant with kids, rather than DISALLOW kids to go to a restaurant meaning they have no choice at all.

*insert jedi mind powers that make you agree*

Markme · 11-04-2007, 12:13 PM

i think its fair that places reject children mainly because if your a corporate business person your not going to sit in mcdonalds and make a business deal, no your going to go to an exclusive cafe/restaurant and sit there in piece and quiet.

wrlit_sists · 11-04-2007, 05:02 PM

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An adult can choose whether or not they try to put up with a often perfectly behaved kid, if not, stay at home. But a kid CANNOT choose whether or not he wants to be a kid...When they discover how, then please tell me. And if a valentines or whatever is so important higher a venue or somthing, but others may be having, or want to have an important family event that involves the family/kids, e.g. a birthday.

fair enough a kid cant choose whether or not to be a kid,

but i didnt choose to be over 18 and now that i'm over 18 there are certain things i cant do or like now i'm over 18 i have to pair full fare for a bus or a train...but a child would take up the same amount of space i would...surely thats not fair?

it's not like every single restaurant everywhere is banning children...it's just one and whats wrong that one in say what 50/100 restaurants that isnt allowing children to go there

Tommeh!!! · 11-04-2007, 07:55 PM

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I have no idea how you get that it's not a public place just because it is privatly owned? What? the government is going to own, No, it is definetly a public place as it is where the public go..

And i will say again, if people can't put up with kids that is there fault, some people can put with kids, some can't, that's a fault of their own if they can't. Unless they have some freak retardation which means they have a medical condition not to...which would probably leave them cooped up in some room.

An adult can choose whether or not they try to put up with a often perfectly behaved kid, if not, stay at home. But a kid CANNOT choose whether or not he wants to be a kid...When they discover how, then please tell me. And if a valentines or whatever is so important higher a venue or somthing, but others may be having, or want to have an important family event that involves the family/kids, e.g. a birthday.

They adults HAVE a choice whether or whether not to try and put up with kids, if not, well, that's their fault, not the kids, because i myself can put up with kids just fine. the DO NOT have any choice, so why not let the parents choose whether or not the want to go to a restaurant with kids, rather than DISALLOW kids to go to a restaurant meaning they have no choice at all.

*insert jedi mind powers that make you agree*

incorrect sir! it IS private, the public go there yes, because a service is being provided but you can be ejected from the premises and like in this situation you can be barred from entry because it is privately owned. if it was a public place the authorities are the only ones who could enforce any rules there.

how is someone not liking kids their fault? im sure there are things you dont like...its not like you can help it. but do you not think that these people have the right to have something tailored to their comfort? why should it be the 'perfect world' scenario where everyone gets along and bad things are overlooked? some people dont like kids, they cant help it, its a fact and it doesnt make them a bad person so why should they have to suffer? THATS unfair. 1 place in 10 lets say for arguements sake will not let children in, is that really so bad on the grand scale of things? like i said before its target audiences. maybe they dont even have a childs menu or want one for that matter.

If someone was having a birthday or family event, they would have no problem at all findiing somewhere to tailor for them, none whatsoever.
and yes, hiring out a venue IS a solution...but uh...the price of a meal out and hiring out a venue are very very seperate. its not a logical solution. thats like saying the solution to having your hand stuck in something is to just...y'know...hack it off.
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all the choices you have like parents taking their kids out, already exist, they can and do that if they so wish they can take them out.

so we have loads of places already that people CAN take their kids, of if they dont want them there can go anyway and dont mind any other children being there, thats fine and dandy, so why is it so unfair that a very very select few are there for those who dont want children around? i think its evening things out. there is an option for everyone. i would agree with you if i didnt almost bet my life on there being about 10 other resteraunts in the nearby area that allow children.

CyberPhoenix Kay? · 11-05-2007, 05:44 AM

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i think its fair that places reject children mainly because if your a corporate business person your not going to sit in mcdonalds and make a business deal, no your going to go to an exclusive cafe/restaurant and sit there in piece and quiet.

The majority of those meetings are in very expensive places, that have been hired as a venue.

Personally i think it is a persons fault who they choose to TRY and put up with, i know people who hate kids, but they try to put up with them, and they do.

If the restaurants were so keen on creating a place for privacy then build an extra room, like a non-smoker room, cept now it would be a non-children room. But don't exclude the kids from restaurants..

And if you are a couple so anti-social and against kids, you should probably be eating at home.

There are MANY things that can be done to create privacy in a restaurant, so why use the method that forces a rule upon a population of people with no choice on their status. People have been putting up with kids in restaurants for a long long time, what makes this generation so special that they can't? nothing. No retardations, no wars against children, just selfishness.

Yes, 1 in 10 may decide to ban kids, but that 1 might be a child's fav place? Also, if one starts, it would only the beginning and soon it could be 9 out of 10 or even 29 out of 30...

It's wrong to impose somthing because of somthing that people have no control over, when the other can just make a decision.

I don't know how you guys get the idea that it is a private place, maybe if it was "Invite only" or "friends only" but if it is a palce where ANYONE can ring up and say " i want a table" and get one..Then it is a public place. No way private.

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fair enough a kid cant choose whether or not to be a kid,

but i didnt choose to be over 18 and now that i'm over 18 there are certain things i cant do or like now i'm over 18 i have to pair full fare for a bus or a train...but a child would take up the same amount of space i would...surely thats not fair?

it's not like every single restaurant everywhere is banning children...it's just one and whats wrong that one in say what 50/100 restaurants that isnt allowing children to go there

You pay full fares because you are old and capable of supporting yourself and having your own income, A 6 year old can't exactly go down the store and get a job can he?

If he could, then yeah, they would charge him the same, once again, not his fault that he can't work because he is a kid.

!-nessica-! · 11-05-2007, 07:56 AM

its private premises. you can ring up and book lots of things which are all on private premises. you can book an appointment at a hairdresser just like you book a table at a restaurant, both owners have the right to kick out anyone who they dont want there.

yeah she could be capable of earning an income and supporting herself, but how are kids sposed to pay the childs fare in the first place? they dont earn money anyway, so their parents pay, right?? surely parents, who should think about things like the cost of having a child before they have the kid, can afford the extra dollar or so to pay a bus fare? most parents have cars too.
AND, she cant necessarily afford the full fare, how many 18 year olds do you know that can afford much at all because they still have to set their life up. maybe you should be able to buy childs bus tickets until you're, lets say, 28. but thats off the track.

toffie i understand where you're coming from, but i honestly dont think that having SOME restaurants ban kids is going to make that much difference. and also, how is it going to be their FAV place if they cant go there? they wouldnt have eaten there so they wouldnt know.

some places have already banned children, but i doubt its gonna get bad enough so that only 1 restaurant allows kids. thats a bit unreasonable, and MOST places do want kids to be able to go, but its just those few that dont that should be allowed to ban them.